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Alejandro Villalvazo (AV), driver: Let's talk this afternoon with Dr. David Ríos Jara, he is the director of the Institute Potosino Scientific and Technological Research, the IPICyT. We will talk with Dr. Rivers because last week, barely has days again took office, reelection, a reappointment as director of the Institute and of course then there is much work to Dr. Ríos Jara, good afternoon and Thanks for taking the call.
David Rivers (DR), Potosinian director of the Institute for Scientific Research and Technology: Yes, good afternoon everyone.
AV: Listen doctor, is seriously the chamba for the Institute.
DR: Come seriously for five years.
AV: What projects do you have?
DR: Well would be several projects in both research and human resource training, the institute has several graduate programs, Master's, Ph.D. in several areas cultiva.También we are working on transferring knowledge to society and good, we have five years left to give continuity to the various projects, in particular, for instance right now we are working on an exciting project with the state government of San Luis Potosi which is the project of "Digital Skills for All", which is a project to create Internet communication-bandwidth statewide, to have national coverage of this infrastructure.
AV: Sounds interesting. Is this time will also give us the opportunity to learn answers to the complaint is before the Public Service of corruption at the Institute and against him, Dr. Ríos Jara?
DR: do not know any, say, intervention by the Civil Service with respect to the Institute, I do not know if you have information.
AV: Yes, I have evidence of two requisitions at least two millions requisitions, a 78 million pesos for a direct and an allocation of four million pesos where IPICyT, at its expense, is paid to himself from the very bottom where the requisition was made millionaire. I have documents here on the desktop.
DR: Look, are you talking about the project of "Digital Skills for All" which is a project being supported by the Ministry of Education, and procurement procedures for contracting suppliers are absolutely, normatively correct. In other words, you have a requisition as you mentioned me not to say that is normatively correct.
AV: Well, I have also data from a batch of four million dollars a few months ago for the program labeled "nanotechnology" and tells you directly to the researcher Mauricio Terrones, which of those four million dollars as they pull a dollar milloncito a otras necesidades del Instituto.
DR: Mire, los proyectos de investigación que se apoyan por parte del Consejo Nacional de Ciencia y Tecnología son proyectos de investigación en los cuales el responsable técnico, que en este caso era efectivamente el doctor Mauricio Terrones, ellos tienen toda la capacidad para decidir en qué se usa el recurso.O sea, el responsable técnico de un proyecto... De ninguna manera puede un director general tomar dinero de un proyecto de este tipo.
AV: ¿Y entonces por qué solicitarlo así, por qué pedírselo a Mauricio Terrones?
DR: No, Look, you're really misinformed. Look, what happened on this occasion is that the Institute was important to create a workshop ...
AV: continue talking with Dr. David Ríos Jara potosino director of the institute of scientific and technological research, has just been reelected to the office and I spoke a few complaints with the Ministry of Civil Service for a topic Hence two requisitions involving the two 82 million pesos.Y another subject, the four million dollars for a program labeled nanotechnology and the doctor told us that we Ríos Jara misinformed, that's not how we we raised the question, Mauricio Terrones research scientist, was ordered by Dr. David Rios to move a million dollars to other needs of the institute, is what I said Dr. Ríos Jara, you tell me I'm misinformed.
DRJ: Yes sir, absolutely look, and as I explained a moment ago, research projects and can you confirm with any other institution or any other researcher in this country, the research projects that are supported by agencies such as CONACYT, are managed, the resources decides, water use is decided by the investigator, this time the defendant had a workshop for the construction of a workshop that would have been helpful just to draft them Terrones brothers. I suggested that a portion of that money was used for the construction of a workshop and he refused, and if what happened is that no point did the workshop and, indeed, Dr. Lumpkin decided to exact destination until last weight of the project.
AV: Well, the phone line is just Dr. Mauricio Terrones, Mauricio Mauricio.Buenas afternoon, listened to Dr. David Rivers, I said it was a suggestion that money to do a workshop, you you refused to do This workshop we can raise the plight
Mauricio.Mauricio Terrones (MT), Researcher: Well, look, there was this request to the ten million pesos, to other works of the institution, that maybe the defendant had but obviously had nothing to do with the project, unfortunately, because obviously the resources came from state government were put into another account, which I did not have direct access as I said, I had to do according to the contract was done with this project.
AV: Those resources Mauricio tell us they were on another account, will that account of who he was?
MT: apparently belonged to the school but did not know the gross consideration, I find a series of letters and offices that were bouncing but I think that ultimately is going with all this is that obviously this was the starting point in what we do not contribute, say, with a fee or a favor and it turned our way out of school last year and now out for with ten students here and good if you're talking about a program and human resources, it is important to say that ten students really were harassed, threatened were not supported and now these students are país.Todo out of this is done within a framework which goes to the institutions and says the president of the republic and absolutely nothing happens, and good is really sad that there is no safe streets, but also institutions no assurance, my recommendation is: do not report anything against a public official who then can a abyss like us and have destroyed an entire research group .
AV: What answers Dr. Ríos Jara?
DRJ: Well, now there is a huge mix of real issues, the first thing to do with a hint on use, misuse, misuse of resources, it is not true, or is it, the resources were exercised exactly what Dr. Terrones decided to exercise, and have absolutely all the checks, the day you want them to see happy to teach them in school.
AV: "This is Mauritius?
MT: checks if, until the day I was wrongfully terminated and I was still a remnant about 3 million dollars that had not invested but obviously after all these frictions caused other problems that they came to pass on to all that happened to us.
AV: Another thing I would have thought Dr. Ríos Jara.
DRJ: Yes, of course if I actually look was a remnant of this project which is exerted by the project itself , the output of Dr. Lumpkin to truth is another matter, has nothing to do with this case, the departure of Dr. Terrones has to do with misconduct committed by him and his brothers against the institution, including the publication of four patents and other faults but this is one of the more serious the publication of four patents without informing the institution and having possible provenance of the Institute and that's a serious offense in any country at any institution in the world.
AV: What do you say Mauritius?
MT: Well is very sad to see that you are trying to make a smokescreen all of this based on our previous reports, patents are non-existent are applications are patent applications and well I I think here we are sticking in accordance with law and good I'm not going to litigate in the media and I will not be providing information, but it is clear that there is a fraud and most importantly, they have broken one of the research groups more productive and now as students and also had information about threats and harassment, nothing happened, then it is a mix of everything but the point of origin is that we were uncomfortable for the institution and sought pretexts and obviously it was not to sort things out but there was an international and national Committee which had concluded that significant problems in the institution, frictions, labor work environment was not suitable and then immediately we wanted to obviously solve despiden.Nosotros the problem and obviously as things are not solved, but it is a problem that everyone is losing.
AV: This is before the public, is there a complaint with the public?
MT: complaint was requested, got a complaint in March this year with 18 annexes well founded and well, we have not received any answer, which tells us that obviously, as Mr. Rivers is being supported and because the message as I say, if we had not reported all these previous anomalies where we have vast offices to show what they're saying, because I had not spent what's going on and I think it is a shame that within the institutions is make the things properly and there is simply too much uncertainty también.El message for other researchers at national level is that it no longer even know what to do or not do because we are the example that we are against any institution or have some.
AV: Mauricio now let me hear David Rivers, I have nothing more than a minute to see what it tells us to finish, Dr. Rios.
DR: Yes I invite you look in short, I invite you to learn also from this side, if we have absolutely all the information to show that what is being said Mauricio.
AV: So was the invitation to talk, to have the two versions.
DR: This is a practice that can in no way deep, I say it is very superficial, which is commenting because somehow Mauricio accusations are unfounded and what I'm saying.
AV: trades to the public, do not they have merit?
DR: Yes look, we have already received requests for information from the public, and we deliver and the public considered there was no need, first and second patents of course they are real right? So do not tell me that Mauritius is an application that has no significance, of course, and four patents pending.
AV: Well, I interrupt Dr. David Ríos Jara, director of the pigs for scientific research and technology, Mauricio Terrones, a Mexican researcher, the computer cuts me thank the two who have taken the call and have explained the situation.
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